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Tuesday, July 03, 2007

It may not be a fair cop - but you're still nicked


Head of Legal has posted the ECtHR case involving the drivers who were caught speeding and claimed that self incrimination breached their human rights.

The principle is that nobody is required to self incriminate themseleves on the basis that it is up to the prosecution to prove its case. The problem here is that speed cameras are only capable of identifying the vehicle but not identifying the driver. So, the law is changed to accommodate technology that is not really up to the job.

3 comments:

maneatingcheesesandwich said...

"So, the law is changed to accommodate technology that is not really up to the job."

Nope. The law was there before the cameras were. Back in the olden days, if someone ran your granny over with their Model T Ford, then roared off into the distance, leaving witnesses who'd only just managed to scratch the vehicle registration down on their clay tablets, the owner of said vehicle would be forced to identify the driver.

An exaggeration, I know, but the bottom line is that the same piece of legislation that forces disclosure for one driving offence also covers many others. Section 172 of the 1988 Act, but I'm sure it had predecessors.

The alternative is that the law is abandoned, whereupon every driver discovers that, in order to avoid prosecution for a minor infringement, all they've got to do is drive like a total maniac, endangering as many people as possible so that the police call off the pursuit, because then no-one can make them say who was driving. Pants. It's a piece of legislation which, like most of those in our country, is really there to persuade the moderately law-abiding majority to act sensibly on the roads.

The morons who roar around in unregistered, untaxed and uninsured wrecks don't give a rat's anyway, but other than that, what could be fairer than asking "It's your motor guv, so who was driving it yesterday?"

jailhouselawyer said...

MECS: I found this http://www.pepipoo.com/Road_Traffic_Acts.htm.

"Prior to 1930 there was no effective regulation of road usage in the UK. The principle sources of law in the present day are all to be found in Acts of Parliament, regulations or EU directives, and the decisions of the courts. The common law of Scotland and England play little part in modern Road Traffic Law.

For most purposes the main regulatory statute is the Road Traffic Act of 1988. This is a UK statute and is interpreted and enforced, in general, consistently within the whole of the UK. Occasionally differences occur in interpretation, but these differences aren't worth considering for present purposes.

Similarly, a number of relatively minor laws apply to England and not to Scotland, again these are not considered here. The Road Traffic Act 1988 contains all the main motoring offences and is consistently applied across the UK by the Courts. It's to this Act that we'll refer.

One further Act, the Road Traffic Offenders Act of 1988, is also important as it regulates the penalties for many motoring offences.

We've attempted to summarise the most common of RTA offences, but haven't even considered providing a comprehensive overview of the law of the road. The subject is a particularly large and technical one.

For most people, their driving license is not only important for leisure but vital for employment. The Courts understand this but don't always, or aren't allowed to, consider this factor in sentencing.

Parliament has very often provided for compulsory driving bans for many offences, especially those with a significant public safety element such as drunk driving and dangerous driving. The Courts have no discretion but to enforce bans. Additionally there's considerable public pressure for habitual offenders to be treated severely, and the courts recognize this. It's now far from unusual to see recidivistic offenders given jail sentences and lengthy bans, sometimes for life, from driving.

Except in the most minor of matters, it's always worthwhile seeking out the advice of a Solicitor in these matters. The complex and technical nature of this area of the law requires that you seek out skilled advice. The consequences of potential loss of employment will often make a visit to a Solicitor an investment rather than a cost.

* Road Traffic Act 1988



This Act includes Section 172:
"the person keeping the vehicle shall give such information as to the identity of the driver as he may be required to give by or on behalf of a chief officer of police"

Section 23 of the Act details the rules that govern the disclosure of material evidence

* Road Traffic Offenders Act 1988



The Act also contains the "14 day rule" for the issuing of NIPs following speeding offences recorded by unmanned speed detection equipment such as speed cameras - take a look.

* Road Traffic Act 1991



This Act contains the legal "loophole" that allowed footballer Dwight Yorke to escape prosecution and this link has the details of that case.

* Road Traffic Regulation (Special Events) Act 1994



* Road Traffic (Temporary Restrictions) Act 1991



* The Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 2002



The "bible" of what is and what isn't allowed on the public highway

* The Convention Rights - ECHR



Relevant Articles of the European Convention on Human Rights

* Criminal Procedure and Investigations Act 1996



This Act details your legal right to evidence if you decide to contest the charge. The Important paragraph is 1(1)(a) - take a look

* This link will take you to the full list of Acts passed between 1988 and the present day.


The Law in Scotland

The criminal law in Scotland is completely different to that in the rest of the UK. However, as they regulate the use of Her Majesty's Highways, the Road Traffic Acts do apply in Scotland. So, although the way that your case will be handled by the judicial system in Scotland will be completely different, the offence will refer to the same Road Traffic Acts. Here are some links to other information that you may find useful:

* Criminal Procedure (Scotland) Act 1995



* Regulatory Bodies



* Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal
* Scottish Criminal Cases Review Commission - SCCRC
* Scottish Criminal Record Office
* Scottish Legal Aid Board

* The Scottish Law Online website



* Reference reading



"Road Traffic Law in Scotland, 3rd edition" - by John Wheatley QC
The Ruling in Dwight York's Case

The Crown must be able to prove in court that the following requirement of the Road Traffic Act 1988 has been complied with:
"Measurement of any speed by a device designed or adapted for measuring by radar the speed of motor vehicles shall not be admissible unless the device is of a type approved by the Secretary of State".

Mr York's solicitor insisted, quite rightly, on the police proving that the speed gun was officially authorised for use. He asked them to produce a certificate for the device outlining the Home Office's conditions of use. However, they couldn't do so.

So after deliberating for 45 minutes, the magistrates threw out the charge. Oliver Beck, the chairman of the bench, said:
"We do not find the evidence of the pro-laser device admissible. In the absence of evidence from the device, we only have that of the police officer and we do not feel satisfied beyond reasonable doubt that the defendant was exceeding the speed limit."

The latest (22nd) edition of Wilkinson's Road Traffic Offences, the motoring lawyer's bible, states:
"It should be noted that it is incumbent upon the prosecution in a speeding case to prove that the Secretary of State has approved the use of the radar gun in question before the measurement of speed given by it can be admitted in evidence."

The BBC News website has more on this story".

maneatingcheesesandwich said...

As someone who's been on both ends of a speeding ticket, I can honestly say that I have never had a problem with speed cameras. If you drive so fast that you can't see the little yellow bugger hiding around the corner, it's your own fault. I wish people would just stop whinging and think what side-effects their petulant pleas and self-righteous litigation could have. If Sect 172 were somehow stripped away, I would hope that they were the first to be on the receiving end of the "Sorry about your granny, but the car didn't stop, so there's no way of proving who was driving now" conversation.

(and don't even think about using "forensics" as an alternative proof method - if X owns a car and is the habitual user, finding his DNA in there won't prove he mowed granny down)